I'm not sure the Locals crowd needs this to be said, but I'm going to repost here what I wrote on X about this topic, with a bit more detail.
It started when Sean Trende on RCP attempted to warn people about modeling the independent vote solely using polling data. His points, particularly his main point, is very true. Here's what he said:
"If you're trying to model "Independent" voting, polls are of limited use. Remember that depending on question wording, context, and pure randomness, "Independent" can mean (among other things): Registration, how people think of themselves, or voting tendencies."
Original Post URL: https://x.com/SeanTrende/status/1852718833548620274
More to his point, how someone refers to themselves by party when speaking to a pollster or an exit pollster can be entirely different than their actual voter registration record.
It's how Trump, for instance, can win Hyde County, North Carolina, when it was majority Democratic in registration. The same is true for many of the 31 Iowa pivot counties that voted for Obama, then Trump in 2016, as well as cause of sharp swings in Appalachian Western Pennsylvania and Northeastern Pennsylvania counties.
If you polled a registered Democrat in Hyde County, NC, who supports Trump, they're very likely to tell you they're an independent, rather than identify with their actual registration. Voter registration is more static and lags, changing over time to follow more consistent and fluid trends in party identification.
It's very tricky to use polling data ONLY to model "indies" if the pollster didn't data append to the voter file, as we almost always do, so they know party registration.
Here, let me show you how this can be observed in a real situation.
The following is from a poll that we conducted in Utah and it was appended, otherwise known as matched or deduped, to the voter file.
The first image is the self-identification question, the one you're all familiar with from any poll you see on Real Clear Politics (RCP).
The second image is the result of the data append, or again, matching to the voter file.
As you can see, when polled 43.2% of the sample self-described as Republican, 31.3% as Independent, 18.0% Democratic and 7.4% as Something Else.
But the data append showed that the registration record by party for the very same sample was actually 50.9% Republican, 17.1% Democrat, 14.9% Independent American, and only 12.2% Unaffiliated, etc.
When people talk about polls, they always assume Independent means Unaffiliated, and visa versa. That is not really the case. Sometimes we get lucky, but often we do not. It's yet another reason why I stress "sampling errors for subgroups are higher" as much as I do.
But the bottom line, a lot of these micro "models" floating around attempting to project the margins using polling data by independent vote ALONE are not really better than a good guess.
In reality, it's far more complicated than that, unfortunately for me. Other demographics tell us about who these people are and how they're likely to vote regardless of having no two-party registration, such as age, race, sex, etc.
So...
This video was hours ago and internet wasn't enough apparently. But that's okay because I have to provide an update.
I am currently at Andrews AB. Might as well stay in DC area for the night. Have out. Get a rental in the am and head home.
I will be backed up but @RobertBarnes and I are doing a Friday Poll Special.
We will have a lot of drops.
Nate Silver thinks he’s smarter than everybody. He goes in and says this poll is credible, these right-wing pollsters are fake and these left-wing pollsters are great.
He weighted Wedgewood, a FAKE firm, higher than the New York Times, higher than Quantus, higher than Mark Mitchell! This is why his model gets humiliated year after year.
We need a complete overhaul of this industry.
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How Voters Grade the President’s Report Card
What is the Intensity Index in the presidential job approval rating? It’s very simple, but also very insightful in determining the national mood surrounding the presidency and even the president’s party. It’s the difference between the percentage of those who strongly approve and strongly disapprove of the job the president is doing in office. It can be either a positive or negative value.
Our final pre-midterm approval for Trump isn't "juiced". It's right in line with the RCP Average, which took months to align to us on this and other trackers such as the Generic Ballot, and now mirrors George W. Bush ahead of 2006.
But alas, many want to compare this cycle to 2018, not 2006.
I have a major problem with that analysis. Here is our final approval overall, on the economy / jobs, and foreign policy / national security for President Trump right before the midterms in 2018 and now.
To think this will have no impact on Tuesday flies in the face of decades of midterm data.
Is it possible?
Sure. It's also possible someone builds me a time machine so I can travel back in time to profess my love for a 20-year old Sophia Loren.
It's unlikely, however.
Hey guys,
I'm going to pin this here. I've gotten a lot of questions about 1) the hardcover not on other distributors and 2) audiobook.
1) Yes, the hardcover as of now is only available on Amazon.
2. The audiobook has been submitted. It's out of our hands and up to Audible now. It'll just pop up on Amazon when it is available and if I see it first, I'll let you know.
Also, do not forget to leave a review if you liked it. As you can see, there are certain "MAGA" mad at me and just attacking me personally in reviews.
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Watching people attempt to "unskew" polls conducted by all walks of this industry—ranging from Nate Cohn at The New York Times to Spencer Kimball at Emerson College to Tim Malloy at Quinnipiac—all to deny Donald Trump's gains against Joe Biden with various voting blocs, is more than a little sad.
The slew of recent polls over two weeks—to include no less than four today alone—have simply confirmed prior findings published from other pollsters who have previously been "unskewed". That includes your's truly and our work at BIG DATA POLL, Mark Penn at Harvard University, Patrick Ruffini at Echelon Insights, and many others.
I'm temped to equate this with an Occam's razor-like situation. But this debate is more about likelihood than simplicity.
Here's the Presidential Vote Preference Trend for Biden v. Trump going back to August 2020. The Public Polling Project did not begin asking the Rematch Question for 2024 until September 2021. However, we can still make some pretty important and interesting observations.