I'm not sure the Locals crowd needs this to be said, but I'm going to repost here what I wrote on X about this topic, with a bit more detail.
It started when Sean Trende on RCP attempted to warn people about modeling the independent vote solely using polling data. His points, particularly his main point, is very true. Here's what he said:
"If you're trying to model "Independent" voting, polls are of limited use. Remember that depending on question wording, context, and pure randomness, "Independent" can mean (among other things): Registration, how people think of themselves, or voting tendencies."
Original Post URL: https://x.com/SeanTrende/status/1852718833548620274
More to his point, how someone refers to themselves by party when speaking to a pollster or an exit pollster can be entirely different than their actual voter registration record.
It's how Trump, for instance, can win Hyde County, North Carolina, when it was majority Democratic in registration. The same is true for many of the 31 Iowa pivot counties that voted for Obama, then Trump in 2016, as well as cause of sharp swings in Appalachian Western Pennsylvania and Northeastern Pennsylvania counties.
If you polled a registered Democrat in Hyde County, NC, who supports Trump, they're very likely to tell you they're an independent, rather than identify with their actual registration. Voter registration is more static and lags, changing over time to follow more consistent and fluid trends in party identification.
It's very tricky to use polling data ONLY to model "indies" if the pollster didn't data append to the voter file, as we almost always do, so they know party registration.
Here, let me show you how this can be observed in a real situation.
The following is from a poll that we conducted in Utah and it was appended, otherwise known as matched or deduped, to the voter file.
The first image is the self-identification question, the one you're all familiar with from any poll you see on Real Clear Politics (RCP).
The second image is the result of the data append, or again, matching to the voter file.
As you can see, when polled 43.2% of the sample self-described as Republican, 31.3% as Independent, 18.0% Democratic and 7.4% as Something Else.
But the data append showed that the registration record by party for the very same sample was actually 50.9% Republican, 17.1% Democrat, 14.9% Independent American, and only 12.2% Unaffiliated, etc.
When people talk about polls, they always assume Independent means Unaffiliated, and visa versa. That is not really the case. Sometimes we get lucky, but often we do not. It's yet another reason why I stress "sampling errors for subgroups are higher" as much as I do.
But the bottom line, a lot of these micro "models" floating around attempting to project the margins using polling data by independent vote ALONE are not really better than a good guess.
In reality, it's far more complicated than that, unfortunately for me. Other demographics tell us about who these people are and how they're likely to vote regardless of having no two-party registration, such as age, race, sex, etc.
This was a really good interview, particularly because Matt Gaetz DOES understand that the politics of war is NOT a two dimensional question and that the core question is what this will do to the winning part of the MAGA Coalition, which right now, doesn't even want to identify as MAGA when asked by pollsters.
Again, obviously, we now have votes and they absolutely have backed up our polling and analysis. Those people are not going to be motivated to vote by breaking the biggest campaign promise since at least "read my lips, no new taxes".
In reviewing the politics of war in America over the last 100 years of the , this question has been remarkably predictive for U.S. elections.
On Tuesday night, Rebecca Good's father appeared on CNN to conduct his first interview following her death. He told CNN that he doesn't blame ICE or Rebecca, but rather sees it as the result of "bad choices" and not "walking the Spirit of God."
"I don't blame ICE, I don't blame Rebecca, I don't blame Renee. I just, you know, I just wish that, you know, if- if we're walking the Spirit of God, I don't think she would have been there. That's- that's the way I look at it."
Wow.
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The White House and Lobby ran with Harry Enten's talking point suggesting President Donald Trump has "100%" percent support among MAGA for the war, and, well Hell, everything.
I saw the talking point circulating as I checked the VERY FIRST interview conducted today. Below is what I posted on X. But unlike X, I added the entire PDF file of the interview for you to review. I had to redact the voter's name and other Personal Identifiable Information.
But suffice it to say there's a 100% chance that these 100% MAGA polls are straight up fake. FYI, I'm not exactly sure what the voter is referring to when he mentions the census, but whatever. Think his point is clear. He lives in Bucks County.
Observe...
As promised, and as you can see, this 33-year-old male Trump voter from Bucks County, PA was literally the FIRST VOTER to complete an interview, TODAY.
I've blacked out his name and other PII, short for "Personal Identifiable Information".
Also as you can see, these polls are "100%" full of shit. The ...
Joe Kent is a hero and I couldn't be more proud to call him a brother.
@PeoplesPundit Man, Glenn Beck and many others are livid/butt-hurt about what Joe Kent said in his resignation letter. I thought it was respectful and was trying to point a way out for him, but apparently, they did not see it that way. Some are saying it was seditious or maybe even treason. To me, Joe Kent is being more true to the admin's original pledge and cause than Trump and many others. When you see others' memes and statements, this seems tame in comparison.
Watching people attempt to "unskew" polls conducted by all walks of this industry—ranging from Nate Cohn at The New York Times to Spencer Kimball at Emerson College to Tim Malloy at Quinnipiac—all to deny Donald Trump's gains against Joe Biden with various voting blocs, is more than a little sad.
The slew of recent polls over two weeks—to include no less than four today alone—have simply confirmed prior findings published from other pollsters who have previously been "unskewed". That includes your's truly and our work at BIG DATA POLL, Mark Penn at Harvard University, Patrick Ruffini at Echelon Insights, and many others.
I'm temped to equate this with an Occam's razor-like situation. But this debate is more about likelihood than simplicity.
Here's the Presidential Vote Preference Trend for Biden v. Trump going back to August 2020. The Public Polling Project did not begin asking the Rematch Question for 2024 until September 2021. However, we can still make some pretty important and interesting observations.